David Shayler speaks on 911

	Duration: 15:40 minutes Upload Time: 2006-03-06 14:08:02 User: 911truthbristol :::: Favorites :::: Top Videos of Day
Description: Ex-MI5 Officer David Shayler speaks out about 911 and explains why 911 is so important in todays political climate
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Thrashaero ::: Favorites  2006-09-04 16:13:33 Besides being wrong about the pentagon hit, care to expand upon where he's so illogical? __________________________________________________
Falco98 ::: Favorites  2006-09-04 16:32:33 the whole "false flag terrorism" argument, though intriguing, is ultimately unlikely to the point of being silly, especially / at least in the case of 9/11. The whole "it was what they wanted you to think" is an easy and comforting argument, but in this case, and for the evidence we know about, it's rather ridiculous. __________________________________________________
Falco98 ::: Favorites  2006-09-04 16:33:43 Plus, it's a simple matter that 9/11 is not a good example of false flag terrorism. If it were something "made" to have happen, there is no reason it could have been an attack costing far fewer lives and far less property damage. It also doesn't stand to reason that the pentagon should be attacked, because the twin tower attack was enough. Plus, for anyone who isn't myopic to recent history, it should be clear that we didn't need an "excuse" to go to Iraq, even if 9/11 did provoke us... __________________________________________________
Falco98 ::: Favorites  2006-09-04 16:35:00 Plus of course he makes the "controlled demolition" argument in the video, as if he is some structural engineer, when in reality, structrual engineers have no problems with how the TT's came down, and have explained it quite clearly. Only the "loose" fringe among the *serious* conspiracy believers go quite this far... it borders on paranoid delusional. __________________________________________________
Thrashaero ::: Favorites  2006-09-04 18:21:25 ??? how in the hell do you find it comforting? Btw, there's dozens of precedents of false flag terrorism by this government, including a full-blown declassified plan from the 60's that was even more sophisticated than 9/11 in order to start war w/ Cuba. Google Operation Northwoods. __________________________________________________
Falco98 ::: Favorites  2006-09-04 18:23:56 I'm familiar with Loose Change (which makes full effect of the Northwoods doc), and familiar with all the ways it creates monsters from mere shadows. Precedent for something is by no means ever a proof for it, especially when all *actual* evidence suggests otherwise. __________________________________________________
Thrashaero ::: Favorites  2006-09-04 18:25:26 your measuring stick on what is 'enough' is arbitrary. There was no excuse to go to Iraq period. if you're fine with that, then you must enjoy this country having a license to kill. __________________________________________________
Thrashaero ::: Favorites  2006-09-04 18:25:29 wrong again. You don't even have to be a structural engineer or any other type of 'expert' to see and know that the collapse isn't of natural causes from being hit with airliners and having fire. Your pigeonholing anybody who analyzes 9/11 for all of the fraud that it is to be 'delusional'...yet you're the one speaking in absolutes here while being vague on particularly what. __________________________________________________
Thrashaero ::: Favorites  2006-09-04 18:47:18 Sorry I don't endorse Loose Change. Also when did I claim that Northwoods proved it? You're trying to conflate my argument into being 'illogical' when i never made this claim. I thought the argument here was if it's 'ridiculous' or not. Which I then addressed by pointing out precedence that shows how the capacity and likelihood definitely exists...not whether that itself proved 9/11 to be an inside job, but unusual if it isn't. __________________________________________________
911truthbristol ::: Favorites  2006-09-04 19:52:58 strange how while the most obvious smoking gun of 911 was the collapse of building 7, so few people mention it. __________________________________________________
Falco98 ::: Favorites  2006-09-04 19:59:49 no, i dismiss as "delusional" anybody who claims they know better than EVERY STRUCTURAL ENGINNER IN THE COUNTRY just because it doesn't "feel natural" to them. sorry-- it WAS natural! Plus, any possible alternatives are unfeasible to the point of ridiculousness. Period. __________________________________________________
Falco98 ::: Favorites  2006-09-04 20:01:47 you may be right on my measure of what "is enough", but it is not inaccurate to say that if it were merely done for instigation into iraq, it would have been far easier and less risky for the government to do something more low-key, with fewer lives lost, and *ties to iraq* instead of afghanistan. __________________________________________________
Falco98 ::: Favorites  2006-09-04 20:02:56 you back out on that now, but when you brought the issue up with northwoods being "precedent", you present it as if it's physical proof. Notice that Northwoods would have cost no civilian lives, and never even saw serious consideration... that should speak for itself. __________________________________________________
Thrashaero ::: Favorites  2006-09-04 21:34:56 EVERY structural engineer? I dismiss as delusional you think every structural engineer agrees with it. What possible 'alternatives' are you claiming are so unfeasible? Also, what the hell is natural about a building turning into powder and shreds at the top, expanding radially yet simultaneously crushing itself? I don't give a shit who's an 'expert', they can't have both 'progressive collapse' and entirely shredded building under 20 seconds. __________________________________________________
Thrashaero ::: Favorites  2006-09-04 21:37:02 Has it occurred to you that since the 93 bombing didn't go well, that they would maybe want to go overboard on 9/11 just to make damn sure the nation is terrified? Besides, this operation actually killed a lot less people than it could have done. It was also a lot more simple than Northwoods. Why did they come up with an such elaborate plan to pretext into Cuba? __________________________________________________